Tuesday, September 21, 2004

Where in the world...


were we on Sunday?

27 comments:

bungers said...

Somewhere your auto focus didn't work...?

;)

ILuvNUFC said...

Morning Mr. Re-post.
I'll Popbitch you, try a bit closer to home

mmChronic said...

I really wouldn't start playing the repost game ILN - I've been biting my tongue for days but if it's open season.... ;)

mmChronic said...

I seem to have had a comment disappeared - unless this flushes it out.

If it wasn't for the eagle I'd go for Heaton Park Pavilion.

And I'd keep quite on reposts if I were you ILN - or someone may point out the several you've done since we decided to stop picking on them. :)

ILuvNUFC said...

Looks like i've got you's today.
Do you need another photo?

mmChronic said...

please...

Merg said...

... I've seen that auto-focus quip somewhere before ...

bungers said...

and it's just as funny second time around.

Come on chaps, let's all chip in for a tripod for him.

Either that or ol' shakey hands keeps going to places of seismic disturbance....

mmChronic said...

What happened with the DIY tripods?

Merg said...

He'd be better off with a camera with image stablization, like the Canon Powershot S1 IS ... but it costs a fair bit -- if it wasn't for that, I'd have bought one already. VERY nice bit of kit.

mmChronic said...

That looks very expensive.

Merg said...

Around the 280 quid mark if you shop around -- like I said, it's the model I'd buy if I had lots of spare cash. Image stablization, 10x optical zoom, fully electronic viewfinder, the works.

I guess it depends what you class as expensive in cameras -- a Nikon or Canon DSLR will cost you between $1000-3000 quid, for example. My little Canon can be gotten for around 100 quid...

But no, it's not a cheap camera. Canon kit is excellent in my experience though... where as Nikon kit various - top lenses, dubious electronics in some cases, and pretty awful customer service.

Merg said...

Typo, $ should have been £ in the DSLR price comment... :)

(that's including one lens btw... bodies-only can be bought for less, but... not much use sans lens).

mmChronic said...

Well I consider the hundred quid I paid for mine to be bloody expensive. My previous most expensive camera was 60 quid for an APS and that was only because APS was new - a 35mm camera with the same features would have cost 25 quidish.

Merg said...

like I said, depends what you consider expensive... as for cheap 35mm cameras... they're crap :)

Cheap digitals generally have MUCH better lenses than the cheap 35mm jobbies.... not to mention being quite a bit more complicated.

To an extent it's a "get what you pay for" situ.

BTW, I checked the US sites for that camera... and if you buy it in the US it's just under £200 quid -- we get ripped off yet again! GAH!

My first digital camera - Canon Powershot A50 Zoom - had a list price of £500 quid when I got it... The replacement, which is better in most ways (but has a poorer LCD display on the back) was about 80 quid or so...

mmChronic said...

Yeah but a 35mm is good enough for most people. They want holiday snaps not David Baileyesque pics. I put myself firmly in that bracket - I only went digital because I could do stuff (like post here) with the pics easier.

I paid the extra money for APS because I'm cack handed and can't do the the whole 35mm on spindle teeth and wind on malarkey - the number of films I was ruining by not inserting properly made the extra 20 quid or so seem worth it.

Merg said...

David Bailey uses a £10K Hasselblad, I believe -- and that's just the body. Lenses are extra (quite a lot extra...).

So a sub-300 quid S1 is hardly "David Baileyesque".
(And it's now sub-200 in the US - bargain IMO)

It's simply a camera with a better feature-set than the bargain basement - and features the average bod can and will use, unlike the Hassleblad.

A stablized 10x optical zoom lens is incredibly nice for holiday snaps - you can take nice clear pics of stuff in the distance - like major landmarks - that when taken 3x optical compact (like mine) you can barely see -- remember my Statue of Liberty shots?

(Oh, and ignore digital zoom - it's worthless. But "most people" probably don't know that!)

As I said, you pays your money, you takes your choice.

mmChronic said...

You pedantic fusker! :)

I did say David Baileyesque 'pics' not camera. By that I meant (and you know I meant) 'not simple snapshots' ie most people want summat that's capable of taking a simple picture of their kids on the beach. Paying anything more than 30 quid for something to do that is in my book (and the majority of people's I would guess) too expensive.

Merg said...

I simply assumed that to take David Baileyesque pics, one would use a David Baileyesque camera -- after all, surely he uses that Hasselblad for a reason?

As for "most people" ... "most people" aren't parents of younger kids. I suspect major landmarks get photographed more. But why are we discussing the "most people" metric?

Since when did popularity prove anything? "The Sun" is popular. "EastEnders" is popular. On a global scale -- unless you think that if they're foreign, they're not people (CNN does) - "most people" probably can't afford any camera what-so-ever.

If we're going off that yardstick, everything's expensive. "Most people" would probably be happy with an 8 quid disposible camera.

If "most people" jumped off the Tyne Bridge (and it didn't collapse before you got there), would you?

Pedantic? Me? Frequently.

One measure of expensiveness - orlack of - is in the mind of the spender, to paraphrase. "You pays your money", etc. -- in fact, I've heard that before somewhere... oh yes, my previous two replies.

In fact, all I ever said was in this case image stablization is more useful than a tripod -- and I also said (twice!) the camera isn't cheap.

mmChronic said...

More pedantry...

Their kids on the beach / parents in the garden / their cock in their gf's eye... whatever.

Yes we'll drop the most people metric. I think 100 quid is too expensive - as I think I've said.

I use mine to take snaps and don't give a flying fsck about focal length, shutter speed or any other techno camera shit - and neither does anybody else judging by the way everyone deserted the thread once we^H^Hyou got into camera specs.

Merg said...

... and I mentioned focal length or shutter speed where?

Oh... wait... I didn't. No, don't tell me, that's "more pedantry". Go read my last post again.

I know you think it's expensive -- you even thought it would be before you knew the price! It's the part where I said you didn't that I'm looking for. I don't recall ever suggesting you buy it, even.

I notice you pull the usual dogs trick of stating something and then saying "we'll drop it" too -- he has taught you well :p

mmChronic said...

You didn't but you did get deeply into the camera shite. Lenses! WTF!?!?! Nobody gives a shite. I'm posting on here whilst working to give myself a break from the tedium of reams of SQL - the last thing I want to be reading is this 12 acres of fscking camera reviews!

I wasn't even arguing with you to begin with - I was doing general camera small talk in agreement. I said the hundred quid was too much for me, brought up previous highest price paid (for APS which was expensive compared to equiv 35 mm). You then said 35mm was shite, I said it was good enough for most people (which included me) then your replies just got longer, boring, more irritating. It's a camera FFS. It takes pictures. Woo fscking yay!

And ok if you want 'most people' back in for discussion (which was dropped because you didn't think it relevant!) most people I know with cameras have a 35mm. Most people I know would think 300 quid which is too expensive. And I agree with them. The 'most people' bit was relevant to 'what you class as expensive' or were you meaning me rather than people in general?

35mm was good enough for me not because most people had them but because it does the job I had one for. I bought APS before most people but only for it's ease of loading - not it's tech aspects of different sized pictures and printed contact sheet. I bought digital for ease of getting onto a pc not because of it's features. I'm into gadgets and I've waited until fairly recently to buy a digicam - because they've been too expensive up to now. All I want is simple picture taking - I wasn't prepared to pay 100 plus quid for a camera which took pictures no discernibly better at the time than ones I took with my 35mm.

Right that's me finished on the subject of cameras - forever. Probably.

You want pedantry? Disposable has a letter a in it. PARP!

Merg said...

... you don't want to read it? So don't!

Who's holding a gun to your head to make you reply?

I was responding to you. You don't want to discuss a subject, just don't reply! It seems you'd rather reply to me ranting that I responded to you -- despite the fact I wasn't essentially disagreeing with you -- I said twice it wasn't cheap.

Oh, and the "most people" argument I commented that you used and THEN dropped it in the same post - something you've criticized others for in the past.

mmChronic said...

Of course I'm going to reply - I'm easily baited! My ego is the one holding the gun. ;)

The conversation was fairly (totally?) non snarky until your comment at 2:53. Then you launched into your 'most people' little rantette. Now I don't know about you about I found my mother using the 'jump off Tyne Bridge' cack patronising as fsck - at the age of 7. 30 years later and a whole shitload more attitude I find it even more so. As I said I'm easily baited - of course I'm going to reply.

As for using and dropping an argument in the same post - I dropped it in the comment at 3:26 and there was no use of it at all in that comment. Hmmm - methinks you're seeing things. Something you've criticised me of in the past - like at 4:12 today.

Pedantry - you can't whack it. Or something.

Merg said...

... so are you going to jump of the Tyne Bridge if everybody else does?

... 'cause if so, I'll bring my camera -- it has a movie mode, y'know *duck*

mmChronic said...

Twat! :)

You'd only catch me laughing at your puny zoom powers - you want a Canon Powershot S1 IS to do the job properly. Oh fsck here we go.. ;)

Merg said...

You'll have to wait 'til I save up before you jump off any Bridges, then.