Wednesday, June 09, 2004

One For Bungers

Seeing as how you are contemplating catching up with us NewLinkers and having broadband installed here is another cheap deal on the market.The only problem with cheap deals is your restricted to 1 or 2G a month on most of them.The company i am with (Freeserve £27 a month) have just been took over by Wannadoo and now they have also imposed a 15G limit on the package i subscribe to.Luckily i signed up just in time to avoid this cap and i remain able to get whatever whenever i want.The best thing about broadband is downloading movies and stuff and i probably would'nt have bothered with it if it had a cap of any kind.How about other readers chipping in their knowledge of available deals so we can get Bungers the best deal possible?

30 comments:

mmChronic said...

There is no worthwhile competition currently to the ISP I'm with - Blueyonder. 3/4Mb (theoretical max 96Kb/s - and I've achieved this speed frequently) for 25 quid per month with no download cap. Equivalent ADSL packages are at 1/5Mb (theoretical max 64Kb/s - rare to achieve) and are capped. Plus you can get shit speeds on ADSL depended on distance from exchange, quality of exchange, quality of line, number of users on your exchange etc etc. Blueyonder is fibre optic all the way to the house.

Unfortunately you have to live in a Blueyonder cabled area which I believe Bungers does.

mmChronic said...

*dependent

bungers said...

I hate the shitsuckers at Telewest though! Their whole raison d'etre irritates me. Or something.

Merg said...

Excuse me?

Since when was 512Mb/s rare on ADSL?

My connection obviously missed that particular meeting, since it gets a fair bit of hammer and is regularly maxed out.

ADSL users also get a 256Kb/s (32KB/sec) upstream instead of the measly 128Kb/sec that mC 'enjoys'. No doubt he's never noticed, but I regularly manage to max my upstream too.

And of course ADSL doesn't suffer from local segment congestion, should you be unlucky enough to share one with the local warez kiddies running DirectConnect and kazaa 24/7. (Yes, mC, we know you live with the old folks who still mutter things about "new-fangled computers").

I might add that last time I looked Pipex offered a full 1mb/s (128KB/sec) pipe for something like 34 quid, with no usage caps, and they have a good rep. A bunch of my friends use Zen, and they all swear by them -- and with Zen you get static IP, and for a small fee, multiple IP's -- A /28 of your very own! another luxury mC doesn't "enjoy" ;)

Merg said...

Oh, yeah... mC, since when was 256Kb 1/5 of 1Mb? :)

mmChronic said...

Before you read this - the context we are talking about is a normal user surfing and downloading stuff.

Everything I've ever read about ADSL has harped on about max speeds not being reached due to all of the above things I mentioned.

Upstream means fsck all Bungers or ILN or me. We download. Might be useful to you to have a bit more but not to me. And yes I know your are going too rattle on about it allowing more outgoing connections or something but again not a problem to me.

£35 quid buys you 1.5Mb at Blueyonder. No cap. Beats the 1mb zen. Are offering. Pipex are good but that's because you pay for it.

And when was the last time my dynamic IP changed? And I would use multiple IPs for? We are talking about normal users surfing here.

Oh, yeah... Merg, since when did I say 256Kb 1/5 of 1Mb? :)

The only 1/5 I have in there would be the bit where I did a 1/2Mb typo. I was thinking ahead and endup typing decimal half (0.5) at bottom of fractional half.

Did that cover everything?

ILuvNUFC said...

I can upgrade to 1mb with no cap but it will cost about £33 a month.I currently have a 576kb connection and now i'm starting to max out on 60-64k p/s download.

ILuvNUFC said...

YAY! Mas debate.Something that has been sadly lacking around here since the fiserman went out on his trawler.Or something.

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mmChronic said...

typon sound read?

No - it's your dryti dol dimn....

ILuvNUFC said...

Doh! Done it again.
*Mass

Did my first typo sound rude or is it my dirty old mind?

mmChronic said...

HA HA - sanitised version appears, unsanitised version disappears....

too fscking slow for the all seeing eyes :)

Merg said...

you actually have a 512Kb/s link -- that translates to 576Kb/s once you add on the PPP (for PPPoA) headers. Since that isn't bandwidth usable by you, it's classed as 512Kb/s. (In fact, it's faster than 576Kb/s, since the ATM headers - ADSL is basically an ATM network - will eat a further 10%. But you never see that, so...)

512Kbs translates to 64KB/s, which is the capped speed.

Regular ADSL is capable of 8Mbit/sec downstream. Other variants are capable of much higher bitrates.

mmChronic said...

And I have a 768 down... you lot are bamps. Or something.

ILuvNUFC said...

Cheers. I think. Lost me now.

mas debate? Is'nt that what fisherman do on lonely nights at sea?

Anonymous said...

Where is the fight?
Can i join in?

bungers said...

All this bickering doesn't resolve the actual issue here... which is "what is the most uncapped bandwidth, at the least cost, that is available to me".

Tsk tsk... ;)

ILuvNUFC said...

Off to school guys.ILuvNUFC Junior has had an accident.
Later chaps

mmChronic said...

I knew you would be lost. Merg should know better! He knows even I glaze over when it comes to network shizzle. :)

I stand by my statement that Blueyonder currently do the best UK broadband deal for consumers who like to download 'stuff' which is, I believe, the subject of the main post.

mmChronic said...

Bungers: I did - Merg just muddied the water.

ILN: nowt serious I hope?

Merg said...

mC -- but since upstream does indeeed affect downstream, it DOES matter. There's a reason it's there. In particular it affects streaming and gaming, if you want the 'ordinary user' aspects. As well as uploading stuff to www pages, the speed of downloads from servers that are a particularly long distance away (RTT Window stuff, etc.), it can affect latency, and quite a lot of other stuff. The 'net's a two-way medium, remember, unlike TV, and TCP/IP is rather complicated.

"your going to rattle on .... " -- Grammar!

Static IPs aren't about when your IP changes, btw. Personally, my IP rarely changes too, but I would still find it incredibly useful. And multiple IPs are useful for multiple machines online without hacks like NAT. Like, say... your living room?

You said the 1/5 bit in black and white... we'll believe it's a typo and not dodgy maths this time, though.

Oh, and if we're going on about what I have right now, it's 2Mb/s.

Going back to the speeds, everything I've ever read about cable harped on about the speeds not being reached due to local segment congestion.

NTL's CM's are capped, btw. And guess who's merging data networks with BY...

And finally, if all this is intended to recommend a broadband hookup for our beloved Bungers, why are you expounding the joys of what he can't have? :>

Merg said...

Bungers: go for Pipex or Zen.

They're not the cheapest, but they're good. And believe me, you don't want one of the bad ones, because they REALLY suck in some cases.

Plus, the price dif isn't a great deal, prolly a couple of quid tops, unless there's been a major change in the last month.

Merg said...

Ah, I misread the bit about Bungers and BY. I disrespectfully withdraw the last snide remark, but no others.

Yes, I have insomnia (again).

mmChronic said...

Upspeed does have an effect - but the most important number is the down speed. I'd rather have 50% more downspeed and 50% less upspeed than you any day than say a 50% decrease in downspeed and a 50% increase in upspeed. And guess what? I've got the former. As you say I probably haven't noticed (make that definitely haven't noticed) any effect due to up speeds.

If you want to do grammar - way easier targets than me on here! I suppose when I do the odd slip it is more noticeable but remind me to pick you up on your spelling in future. I'd given up on this type of nitpick (it got boring) but I feel a sudden urge to start again. :)

The 2mb isn't yours! You are just using it. :)

re Static vs Dynamic. I can get static if I want it - again not bothered. It's nice having a semi permanent address but I wouldn't die if I didn't.

ILN's IP changes every 3 minutes (exaggeration) on his ADSL service. It just depends who you sign up with I guess. He has one of these 2 hr disconnects and always gets a new IP. Still can't see how multi IP's would be useful to me - NAT works.

Congestion? Not me. 96KB/s for matey - smell the scorching speed....

As for the NTL/BY thing - I'll worry about that if I ever get capped not now when it's a vague maybe.

And finally I said:
"Unfortunately you have to live in a Blueyonder cabled area which I believe Bungers does."

You said:
"And finally, if all this is intended to recommend a broadband hookup for our beloved Bungers, why are you expounding the joys of what he can't have?"

I said:
PARP!!!!!!

mmChronic said...

Now that you've seen Bungers can get BY would you recommend a 34 quid 1Mb or a 35 quid 1.5Mb? ;)

ILuvNUFC said...

I don't have a 2 hour disconnect.That was when i was on a slo-dem.
ILN junior is cool- panic over.Lots of blood and stuff but he is canny tough.

mmChronic said...

SO if you don't get the disconnect now how come your ip changes quite a bit over the day?

With a dynamic one you get assigned it as soon as you connect and generally keep it for a while. You usually get more than few hours!

Glad to hear about the bairn - he obviously takes after his uncle mm and not his namby pamby dad! ;)

ILuvNUFC said...

My IP changes every time i switch my PC on.Quite oft it is on and off during the day espesh if im not using it as the fan is crap and i need a new one.Donations required.

mmChronic said...

That'll explain that then...

bungers said...

What did the ILNJnr do then..? Was he in a knife fight..? I hear it's pretty rough that school!